Life goes on
It’s been a funny weekend. So much has happened over the past month I can’t really decide where to begin, or if I should at all. I have hurt and shocked a lot of people. Some feel I’m being elitist. Some feel abandoned. It was such a hard decision to make. I just felt that I wanted more from the game. I have been in my old guild for over 2 years. I have run so many raids stifling my hardcore past. I think I found and created something that wasn’t true to my ideals because not everyone in it lived up to my ideals, which is prefectly fine for them, but not for me.
I left so that I could experience more of the game. I want to complete Ulduar. I want to do the next patch content when it comes out. I want to be ready to kill Arthas. I’m sure my old guild will get there eventually, but eventually isn’t good enough for me any more.
I spent all Sunday feeling sad and crying on and off. I wasn’t sure I’d done the right thing. I was hating myself for hurting people.
I read our new forums - apparently my old guild wanted all those who had left to remove their alts from Common Sense. I was devastated. I know it was my choice to leave, but Common Sense always had people leave and let them keep alts in the guild to keep in touch. I know it was my bed I’d made and I had to lie in it, but after all I’d done for the guild over the 2 plus years I’d been there, I thought they would let me keep in touch. I logged in and left (with all my 7 characters - I asked them to remove all the ones that were my Dads as I couldn’t face any more), crying all the time.
Ok - so now the hurt went both ways. I’m so sorry to all those I left in the lurch. I deserve to leave completely I suppose. I will miss you all so very much. Sorry isn’t good enough, but it’s all I have….
I logged in to the new guild to lick my wounds. We were floundering about wondering what to do. Earlier in the afternoon we had done a VOA 10 - we couldn’t find 2 tanks, so we did it with just one! We decided as we were all saved to different Ulduar’s we would go play in Naxx and try a few achievements and things and see how we worked as a team.
We started with 8 of us and were considering the less is more thing, but a few more came online and we had a full 10 eventually. We had 2 alts and one who had never done a full clear, but basically we rocked. We completely cleared the whole thing in 2 hours and 38 minutes (or something like that). It was an incredible feeling. And we got a host of achievements as well.
I think did the right thing. I made a choice for ME for a change. I’m happy about it.
Still didn’t get a bloody croc today though! Stupid bad luck RNG better not have found me here too!
Comments
Comment from kwyjibo
Time July 13, 2009 at 5:18 pm
On my old server, people applied to raids, not guilds. Guild tags were whatever they wanted. When you raided, it was with a mix of people with many guild tags, but it was always the same people.
And these were raids that got things done, that cleared difficult content before WoTLK.
Hang out with your friends in guild and get down to business with your raid. Stay in contact with your raid members through a website/blog, and through a chat channel in game.
MUCH drama was avoided. Imagine how a gquit would affect your raid: Not at all. Imagine a conflict in the raid over a piece of loot, or two people not getting along. An impulse reaction might be to gquit, but there isn’t really a way to do that if your guilds are separate. In the event of drama, it gives people time to simmer down and think clearly.
Comment from Peter / Verenus
Time July 14, 2009 at 8:23 am
Dear Seph,
I hope you find what you’re looking for with this new guild, and will be able to do all the things you dream of doing without any of the drama that always seemed to fall on you to fix (I guess being so social and loving has its downsides ;)) I know the times as an officer in Common Sense weren’t always the easiest, hopefully it will be all fun and no problems now.
Wish I could join you in some raids again, but I won’t be around for a long time yet, as I am doing my own thing here down under 
Who knows, maybe when I get home next year I’ll be able to join you again and relive the good old days.
Best wishes from Sydney, Australia,
Peter
Comment from Andrew
Time July 14, 2009 at 11:05 am
Seph
I must admit my mood on Sunday went through the full cycle - rage to hurt to abandonment but in the end I came to the conclusion - its just a game. The thought that others I looked up to no longer felt I was good enough to play with is one that still lingers though and I will probably be less personally involved with the people in game as a result. But we are all adults so we adapt and move on.
In the end we all play the game in a way that suits us - often it overlaps with the way other people want to play and a guild is formed but over time people change and common purposes become less common.
I guess in a long winded way - which is unusual for me - what i’m trying to say - good luck - all the best. you don’t need an alt to stay in touch - that is what friends lists are for.
Cya and good luck with the crocs - if it any consolation I don’t have one yet either
/hug
Andrew
Comment from Gruffer
Time July 16, 2009 at 1:00 am
Hello Seph!
I wish you the best inTaketen. Glad to hear you have progress. It is only natural that you want to see higher progress with the ammount of time you put in the game and the skill you have as healer. However you fail to see the point of why we asked you all to remove alt’s either that or you do not listen.
Taketen was created when common sense had some rather big unsolved issues. Something that also made the break more messy and ugly than it had to be. A lot of people got hurt as what they saw us all as equal in that guild. But some was left behind, and you all gave them the impression of low value as players and as persons. Sorry but i talked to many about this now. With all of Taketen having Alts left in Common Sense you would all be a constant reminder about this. And you would definently slow or process of rebuilding the guild. We had a vote about it and i was one of them who voted yes to removal. You should know that out of 22 people online only 1 wanted to keep the alts.
Best of wishes to you all
-Gruffer
Comment from kwyjibo
Time July 16, 2009 at 4:04 am
These other comments only reinforce what I said.
Comment from admin
Time July 16, 2009 at 7:56 am
@Space: Thx and we will remember to be hard - at least I’ll let Ferus do that
@kwyjibo: Interesting set-up - I like the sound of it. Might have to mull that one over a bit.
@Peter: Hugs and thanks - have a great time in Oz and keep in touch.
@Andrew and Gruffer: Yes, I can now understand why you asked us to take all our alts out of the guild. Personally I rarely play any of my alts, so would be purely a social thing to keep in touch with the friends I’ve made over the 2 years in CS, but I can see that not all think the same way as me. I do not see any in CS as lower value people but more that I wanted to play the game a different way. I wish you all well in CS too.
Comment from Nadiastorm
Time July 16, 2009 at 10:37 am
Being a GM of a guild myself, i can understand parts of your post about the guilds descision and your choices.
As a guild, we cant please everyone, we’ve even cleared out Alts on mass sometimes, even those who have been with us 3 years, but we do invite them back as a visitor if they log in. On the other hand we have had member who really really struggle with leaving because they feel so bad about it, we have to support them leaving, and assure them that we dont hate them for going out into the big wide world and experiencing what life is like outside of TDD. Its healthy for them, and during the last 3 months, they have all returned. Some havent, and continued raiding with endgame raiding type guilds,…horses for courses. Chin up, enjoy your game, dissapointment and excitement of these choices are the very things that hook you to wow to begin with
Comment from Rob-Finrír and a number of alts
Time July 16, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I consider the ideals of CS and Taketen to be very similar and the differences only appear to actually be the ability of the same Taketen members being able to commit to raids regularly and for the primary focus to be on raiding.
I have crap loads of alts and i think that is an indication of my inability to regularly raid (i can log on for half an hour and do some quests, but can’t guarantee a few hours raiding 5 nights a week). I’m also a fan of dailies, pvp and other side entertainments.
If i had the opportunity to raid every night i would might have different ideals - i don’t know.
I think it is accepted, quite clearly, that neither guild expects to drag unskilled, unequiped and undergeared players to raids and i might be a little unfortunate that it has come to this for that to be realised.
Best of luck
Cya around
Rob
Comment from Ex-Silvermouner
Time July 16, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Drama queen!!!! You’re still around!!!
Comment from admin
Time July 17, 2009 at 11:02 am
You cheeky Ex-Silvermourner! You don’t even tell me who you are and accuse me of being a drama Queen! I’ve been in essentially the same guild for almost 3 years since I left SM. Go on - tell me who is still being inquisitive about me
Comment from Ex-Silvermouner
Time July 21, 2009 at 12:34 am
actually i am a fan of yours, do you still wear leather and whip people around?? hehe, good to know you are still around!
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Comment from Space
Time July 13, 2009 at 3:00 pm
I heard it yesterday, anyway after all is said remeber it’s a game and you’re here to have fun. you cant expect 100 other people in such a guild to think the same way as you. Some of them just dont care about you or other guild members and it’s comfort to slack or being carried or whatever. Yea you feel crap for doing that but it will soon pass. Dont let people in your new guild just for being friendly. have some demands and dont be afraid to say them or you’ll regret it later.